tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7402373898243652650.post3799125033785233453..comments2023-03-25T02:23:39.954-07:00Comments on I'm Just Saying.: Gay is the New Left HandedThe Nutty Irishmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01003841959009497003noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7402373898243652650.post-62666296030137962008-12-30T19:28:00.000-08:002008-12-30T19:28:00.000-08:00At last a discussion and forum on this subject...I...At last a discussion and forum on this subject...I have been reading around this for years and i think that YodaSD is right to relate handedness to orientation through 'environmental' factors, but i am very much of the 'born that way' school of thought, as I will explain below: <BR/><BR/>I conclude that left handedness, footedness etc., (just like sexual preference), is clearly not in simplistic terms 'genetic' (from identical twin studies) but both conditions reflect neurological changes caused by placental hormone levels/balance [testosterone being the main one seen to have wide ranging effects - hence the variance in the rate of female homosexuality and high correlation of lesbian left handedness; other variants are seen in terms of sporting ability, sexual preference, even 'handedness' or 'brain structure' as I would call it... all as a result of some as yet completly undefined chemical effect from amniotic fluid or foetal blood supply that physically affects the actual foetal brain structure to varying degrees of, in simple terms, female or male traits. <BR/><BR/>This theory has yet to be proven but is a logical conlusion if one considers the sum of the studies undertaken (identical twins, pattern of homosexulaity amongst brothers, etc, etc, etc.).<BR/><BR/>This subject should be given greater public awareness by the scientific world in the form of introductory documentaries to help prepare the public, religious establishment and entrenched media in the hope of removing ill-informed superstitious prejudice; the same that used to affect left handers all those years ago. <BR/><BR/>This is another example of ignorance, and ancient religion, holding long estblished inaccurate, non-scientific views about the humn condition. <BR/><BR/>Science has always had to be cautious in demonstrating beyond doubt that a theory holds true but just as tested example and logic both bear out 'evolution' the subject of external "hormonal et al" factors should be seen as a further method of variation. Although this can be seen in action, much is unknown about how, though I am in no doubt there are sure biogical evolutionary reasons why this process occurs. It is seen in efffect in studies of left hsndedness and birth rate increases of the condition in times of violent war in studied African tribes; the reasons and potential for stress during pregnancy to affect hormonal levels in the foetus needs to be studied.<BR/><BR/>Pre-natal hormone effects must also be examined with more focus and a realisation of a possible impact on a more complex evolutionary 'nature and a pre-nurture external influence' process (e.g. why does rhness dominate, leading to why ancestors/apes have less left to right side handedness variation re: tool use, language etc), and its effect on the growing understanding of evolutionary psychology. <BR/><BR/>Finally, the external affects of hormones on the developing foetus should be obsrved and studied more amongst all higher mammal species...especially where handedness and homosexual traits are commonplace. I believe such effects in animals will reaffirm much of the variation shown in human brain structure.<BR/><BR/>This subject must not remain the domain of the pseudo science - a past of flawed 'psychiatry' and 'electro shock therapy' in the hold of early human religion and evolving sexual morality. Religion itself I would argue is constantly evolving and will have to in order to have any relevance in light of the problems facing mankind (the environment, need for increased population/birth control etc). <BR/><BR/>I am sure that some in the gay community will not like my notion that 'gayness' in all its forms, as a naturally occuring variant - one with certain biological reproductive restictions that reduce its occurence on the basis that DNA primarily functions to reproduce itself. <BR/><BR/>A more serious and likely moral dilemma lies I would suggest, not in the treatment of a decent gay person (though I fear this possibility in terms of parental choice in the future) but instead the treatment of an individual whose brain configuration makes them prone to sexual or violent behaviour - universally condemned. There is no doubt that in the future there will be the ability of the state to treat such 'variant defects' and unfortunately perhaps 'others' (for better or for worse!) at birth, just as some parents are already trying to select the sex of a child, perhaps then too with further ignorant prejudice, parents will play god their child's sexuality.<BR/><BR/>Chemical sterilisation re: sex drive of so called sex offenders, as an example, makes society's choices over control of minority groups so much more of a debating point. <BR/><BR/>I hope to exploit all these moral questions in a novel - hopefully one I will publish before some of these predicted changes to our understanding of human variation, the brain (L v R etc) and its orientation are known.<BR/><BR/>Just like the ocean or outer space, this is a major area in need of exploration....<BR/><BR/>...as too the protection of the planet from ourselves!<BR/><BR/>Hunger, poverty, pollution, the age old ills added to which we now face global warming and mass species extinction...I would hate to see Revelations proved right but 'logically' it is looking that way!<BR/><BR/>Keep up the debate to educate the masses.<BR/><BR/>Paul Rogers - Environmental Health Officer - UKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7402373898243652650.post-82359740265515120102008-12-03T16:55:00.000-08:002008-12-03T16:55:00.000-08:00Nice post - and I agree 100%. As an ambi-leftie wh...Nice post - and I agree 100%. As an ambi-leftie who writes with his left hand but throws with his right, I've always thought the spread in handed (righty, ambi, lefty) behavior and gay behavior (straight, bi, gay) was striking.<BR/><BR/>I do take minor issue with one thing you say though. From what I've seen and read, both gayness and being left handed are likely to be caused by a combination of genetic and environmental factors. People occasionally get freaked out by the phrase "environmental factors" because it sounds like it's a choice made after you're born. It's not - these environmental factors are hormone levels in the womb, stuff like that. My ill-informed guess is that that's why there's such a spread in behavior - it's a recipe not a switch.<BR/><BR/>In other words, it might be partly caused by your dad, probably more likely caused by your mom in some way, but it ain't down to you, and it ain't wrong or somehow sinister.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7402373898243652650.post-24402691032872879662008-11-07T14:04:00.000-08:002008-11-07T14:04:00.000-08:00I anxiously await the day when the DNA variation t...I anxiously await the day when the DNA variation that determines sexual orientation is isolated so that it is proven once and for all that being gay is not a choice, unnatural, wrong or something that can be changed. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, that will just lead to another minority group being demonized and discriminated against. It makes me so sad that despite all the problems facing the country and the world today, people dedicate more time to singling out others and trying to impose good ole' Christian family values on everyone than to stamping out hunger, poverty and pollution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com